About Face: Terry Healey’s Transformative Journey of Determination and Purpose After Head and Neck Cancer

Welcome to Everything Cancer! In this episode, we’re joined by Terry Healey, a Head and Neck cancer survivor, public speaker, and bestselling author whose journey is nothing short of inspiring. 

At just 21, Terry faced a rare and life-changing cancer that affected his appearance, leading him to retreat from the world. 

Eventually tired of hiding, Terry deliberately took his life back by working out, relying on sheer determination and resilience. He thrived, reclaiming both his confidence and his life. He graduated college, had a family, and succeeded in tech industry sales.

Terry’s journey is about much more than overcoming adversity—it’s about transformation. His perseverance, combined with a mission to help others, has shaped his purpose: to inspire those facing challenges to overcome adversity and live fully. Tune in as Terry shares his journey and insights that are sure to inspire and uplift.

Terry’s email address – terry@terryhealey.com ; for those interested in joining his newsletter and getting notified about his forthcoming book, send an email to terry@terryhealey.com with the subject line “newsletter”

Terry’s resources web page - https://terryhealey.com/?page_id=8 (for support, research and information about facial disfigurement)

Cancer Support Community - https://www.cancersupportcommunity.org/

About Face https://aboutface.ca/about/ About Face’s vision is the elimination of the stigma and discrimination encountered by individuals with a facial difference.

My Face www.myface.org My face Is beautiful

Face Equality International https://faceequalityinternational.org/

Transcript

Hello everybody and welcome to the Everything Cancer podcast. We have a really dynamic person here with us today by the name of Terry Healy. Terry is a survivor. He's a public speaker. He has appeared on many podcasts. He's also a bestselling author. We'll let him go into that and he is an absolute inspiration. I'll let him go into that more too. Welcome Terry. Thank you for being here with us today.

Terry Healey (00:32)
Hi Jill, thank you so much for having me as a guest. It's great to be here.

Everything Cancer (00:36)
I love your winner smile. It's awesome. It just brightens up any room So what books have you published prior?

Terry Healey (00:41)
so nice of you.

So I published two memoirs back actually quite a while ago. And I would explain the first one as really more of a cathartic experience. And I decided that I really wanted to just write from the heart and speak the way I wanted to speak. And so as part of that, I decided immediately just to self -publish it. And so that's the path I went down there. And then that, you know, I've been

in the high tech marketing and sales arena my whole life. So haven't really been somebody that just speaks or just writes, right? And so I had a very different career, but the book actually opened up all these opportunities to speak. And in so doing, I met a publisher who wanted to do another edition of the book. So the second one is just a slightly

updated and refreshed version of the first. Both have the same primary title at face value. And then now I'm working on my next book.

Everything Cancer (01:49)
Mm -hmm.

Okay, well I'm really looking forward to hearing about that next book and when it comes out. So I think this is a great segue into why you're here and why you titled your book at face value.

Terry Healey (02:09)
Yes, and I gotta give credit to my wife. I was really struggling to come up with a title way back when. And I remember she was laying in bed, it was early in the morning and I don't know, we were just talking and I was getting ready for a meeting and I said, I gotta come up with a title. She's like, what about at face value? She didn't even think about it. I'm like, perfect. But yeah, I...

Everything Cancer (02:31)
Hahaha.

Terry Healey (02:34)
When I was 21 years old, I was kind of at the top of my world, living life on easy street. then suddenly I was diagnosed with a rare form of cancer that ultimately led to a disfigurement in my face, mostly on the right side of my face, but it did create additional facial difference throughout. And so that's really where my journey began and has continued. And so here I am.

Many, let's see, were almost 40 years later.

Everything Cancer (03:08)
So taking you back to that time and if it's uncomfortable for you to talk about it, I entirely get it, but many of our members of our audience are young adults. That'd be really traumatic to go through something like that at 21 when you are at the cusp of the really the beginning of your life in so many ways.

Terry Healey (03:30)
Yeah, as you say, Jill, think appearances matter the most at that age, right? That's when everybody's finding their way and dating's a big deal and all of that. I think for me, there are some pros and cons of what happened to me. The cons, of course, were that suddenly I looked very different.

and had to grapple with how I was gonna deal with that. But I think there was some naivete there in that I had this full belief that I was gonna get reconstructed back to the way I looked in very short order. That's kind of the message I was given that I think they wanted to give me hope. And I'm grateful that they actually spoke to me that way. I think if they had told me when I was 21 that

you know, this is gonna be incredibly disfiguring and you're not going to ever look the same again. Your nose is gonna look different. Your eye may not be there. All these things, I don't think I would have been able to fight back and really respond in the way that I ultimately had to. yeah, it's difficult, but I went through a, I would call it somewhat of a dark,

path for many years trying to find my way as I began to realize, Jill, that no, I'm not going to rebound from this and become who I was before. I'm going to become a different person. I'm going to be a transformed Terry and I got to become comfortable with that. And how do I get there? And so that's really when I began this life work of trying to rebuild who I was. And I honestly just kind of got lucky. I stumbled into walls and found my way.

Everything Cancer (05:22)
So that's got to be very inspiring for people who look at the Terry of today who is you have this commanding presence that is full of confidence and you you you're just a very easy person to be around to understand that you had your own trials getting where you are and it wasn't easy but you did it. And so that

That in of itself is inspiring to understand it didn't just happen. You worked at it, but you made it. You did it and it was possible. Yeah.

Terry Healey (05:59)
Yep. Yeah. And I think you and I talked about some of this stuff before perseverance and, you know, it's like anything in life. It does take some hard work, perseverance and, and, but I think that you have to make that decision. Am I going to hide in a shell somewhere? or am I gonna live my life and realize that there's a whole lot more out there?

Everything Cancer (06:29)
Mm

Terry Healey (06:29)
for me to live. And I think all of us go through a process in a different manner, but I think gratefulness is key. think that as hard as it is for some people to understand, there's always something worse. And I think that I was fortunate that the first thing I was grateful for, and it's in my book, it's like when I woke up, I didn't think I could see out of my right eye, and I thought they removed my right eye.

Not so much a disfigurement concern as much as a, don't want to lose my eye concern. And what happened was I couldn't see out of the eye because there was all this dual lobe, this ointment over the eye because the surgery had been so close to it. And I was in a panic and the nurse was like, in the recovery when I woke up, she kind of looked at me and she said, no, no, no, don't worry about it. She started wiping my eyes and I could see again.

And I was like, my God. And so I was grateful right away. I'm like, God, it could be so much worse.

Everything Cancer (07:29)
Yeah. So that gave you a ray of hope right there. ray of hope when you were young, you're married now, when you were younger, how did you for our younger audience and our audience that is single and looking, how did you approach dating?

Terry Healey (07:32)
Ray of Hope.

So I am gonna be obviously fully honest here and by the way, I'm happy to talk about any topics. don't ever, ever worry about the question. But I became almost overnight pretty insecure with the way I looked. And I looked in the mirror and I was like, my God, people would come to see me in the hospital and sometimes they would just gasp. And...

Everything Cancer (07:55)
Okay.

Wow.

Terry Healey (08:14)
there were lots of experiences like that. And so I began to pretty quickly fall into this darker and darker space and realized that I wasn't comfortable in a social setting. I wasn't comfortable going into a bar. I wasn't comfortable in a party. I wasn't going to talk to girls anymore. And fortunately, I came to my senses probably because of

the fact that I was just a normal human being with some level of desire that I didn't want to live in a dark cave the rest of my life. I was interested in females and very much so. And so I, I fortunately figured out that, know what? It's, I'm not in a place where I can ask somebody out that I'm interested in. can't deal with rejection.

But what I can do is start to rebuild who I am and figure out what are the things that are gonna make me feel better about myself. And so I can talk about that, there's a multitude, but there's a couple core things that I think again I fell into. I bumped into walls and I fell into and realized that hey, there's a couple things that I can do that are gonna make me feel better and better about who I am. And that's the first step. You have to feel good about yourself.

before you can go out and do that other stuff. So that was the work that I had to do. So yeah, I did take a hiatus for a while from the dating life.

Everything Cancer (09:53)
I love how you're talking about the building blocks that you put into place when you had when you found yourself in this dark place that was so you found the carpet pulled out from underneath of you and these building blocks that you picked up one by one to rebuild yourself that you're talking about. It's pretty incredible.

and you basically reinvented yourself. And so what did you do? Did you find interests? Did you find hobbies? How did you reinvent yourself?

Terry Healey (10:32)
Yeah, so the first couple things I did was I, in looking at the mirror, I realized this is somebody that doesn't look normal anymore. What can I do to feel better about myself? Well, two things happened. I said, I'm gonna start, I had time, right? I wasn't dealing with a lot of social stuff. So I have always been very goal oriented. And one of my goals was I'm gonna start, you know,

working out extensively, I'm gonna set goals for my 10K time, I'm gonna beat the times that I ran back in high school, I'm gonna do that, I'm gonna go to the gym every morning, I'm gonna work out, I'm gonna feel good about my body, I'm gonna give myself that time to myself that refreshes me and makes me feel good for the whole day. Because I was fortunate early on to realize that

When I exercise first thing in the morning, and I used to run a lot, the endorphins, whatever, I would feel so much better throughout the day. I wasn't as irritable. I was happier. So that was part of it, but I wanted to feel better about my body, honestly, because I figured that's the only thing I have control over. I don't have control over my face. I got to focus on what I can control. But the other thing was I got a job that gave me the ability to

carved my own niche. was a startup. They needed so much help. And so I just started working really hard and setting goals in that arena as well. And as I started to see success and got promotions, I realized that I am as good as anybody else. achieving that gave me more and more confidence.

and I could set the next goal or the next target. So those were the first couple of things that I focused on. And then there were others that followed.

Everything Cancer (12:34)
So anybody listening can engage in some sort of physical activity, even if it's chair yoga, to help themselves feel better every morning and clear their mind and help as you were talking about with the endorphins. And I was just reading an article this morning and again last night about how important exercise and physical activity is in terms of self -image.

and in terms of stress relief and in terms of fatigue, getting rid of fatigue. Exercise benefits all of us, but particularly people on the cancer journey, cancer survivors, immensely. And I love hearing what you're talking about here. So it had one of the questions that we had talked about before this interview.

And if anybody's listening, had to be really terrifying to go into surgery knowing you were going to come out a different person. Do you have any words of comfort for someone facing that?

Terry Healey (13:48)
You know, for me personally, one of my, you you used the word building blocks earlier, but one of the building blocks that I was fortunate to have as part of this ability to maybe respond was that I had a fair amount of religious faith that gave me courage and strength throughout the ordeal. So I had this foundation. And so I think when I went

Everything Cancer (14:05)
Mm

Terry Healey (14:16)
to surgery that morning, remember it clearly. I just kind of gave in and let go and prayed and said, you know, I just want to come out of this alive. I want to survive. I want to give me the strength to deal with whatever the outcome was, whatever the outcome is. And I just, I found a way visualization was something else that

that became a practice of mine during the course of this process. And that became really helpful as well, just to kind of, visualization for me is just a way to help visualize the outcome, which is always gonna be something positive in my mind, better than maybe you initially expect it to be. So all of those things help me to relax going in and hope for the best coming out.

Everything Cancer (15:15)
I think a lot of people listening, I hope, take a lot of strength from that, really. So thank you for sharing that, really, because I can imagine that's a really terrifying prospect to face.

Terry Healey (15:29)
I think, Jill, just one other thing too, because I don't think everybody can respond and say, well, I don't have the religious faith. I don't believe in that. That doesn't give me the same thing that it gave him. I think just positivity, right? In my case, positivity combined with prayer, thinking positive about the outcome is always going to be better. And I think

A lot of people get into this negative self -talk thing. And so it's really easy to fall into. And so you just have to challenge yourself and say, there's a positive response to every potential negative thought that I have and try to focus on that.

Everything Cancer (15:59)
Yeah.

You bring up a really good point that actually I talk about a lot whenever I talk about sexual health for the cancer journey is how important self -affirmation is. Finding things you like about yourself and telling yourself those every day to remind yourself what you like about yourself.

and reaffirming that every day makes a really big difference. I like the way you're smiling right now too as I'm talking about that.

Terry Healey (16:49)
No, it's right on. I think about that all the time. It's so important. think it's exactly what you're saying, but celebrating our successes, you know, and we have to take the time to recognize that it's a journey and it's one step at a time and you're not going to, things aren't going to be perfect overnight. It's going to take time. have to get comfortable with that, but celebrate along the way.

Everything Cancer (17:15)
And that's part of it. It's not the destination. It is the journey and celebrating along the way is a huge survival piece of getting along the journey is finding those moments of beauty and those blessings along the way, but reminding yourself of what is good about yourself instead of staying in that dark place. And I really like what you're saying here.

Terry Healey (17:41)
And you know, just if it's okay, just one other thing, know, the whole.

Everything Cancer (17:43)
Sure, whatever. This is your interview, so you can say whatever you want.

Terry Healey (17:46)
No, no, but the whole gratefulness thing, you know, we talked about my concern with losing an eye, you know, and I just remember that one of the things that I did shortly after I was able to return to school at UC Berkeley was walking across the campus and noticing things and looking at things that I maybe had never really noticed before, like the trees over Moffat Library. I was always in

this rush to get to Moffitt Library to study. And so instead I walked around and just sort of looked and appreciated, my God, these trees are beautiful. The setting's incredible. Like I'm so lucky that I can see it, you know? And so again, gratefulness always makes life easier because there's always something worse. And so it helps you accept where you are in that journey.

Everything Cancer (18:44)
I hear that's a very consistent message. I hear in both the support group, I facilitate the survivors there and the survivors here in the podcast, the one on one interviews, which have become really special to me personally. And I hope to our listeners, the unexpected blessings, the unexpected beauty and the appreciation for

those that you didn't have before you were diagnosed. And most people say, well, I would have never wished this for myself. I don't want this appreciation to go away. It means too much to me now. Yeah. And

Terry Healey (19:31)
100%, 100 % and you see this too, Jill, I'm sure that, you I know a lot of cancer survivors that are five plus year survivors. I personally have never met one that's ever told me that they wish that what happened to them didn't happen. And primarily it's because it enables you to reassess, reevaluate, reflect on your life and try to figure out what makes your life more meaningful. And so,

Adversity is not something you wish on anyone as you said, but there's blessings in it, right? So know that you will have those, but you have to, I think, be open -minded. You have to be open and willing to listen and reflect and do all that kind of stuff.

Everything Cancer (20:07)
Mm

And that's one of the things you talk about whenever you give talks, right, is overcoming adversity and ways to do the practical approaches to that. So what do you talk about whenever you do give talks?

Terry Healey (20:26)
Yeah. Yeah.

Yep. Yep.

So, know, it's funny, a lot of times that, you know, we'll connect with whoever is responsible for the meeting or whatever, and they'll say, we'll connect about what are the pain points they're trying to solve for in this meeting, you know, what are the messages that they really want to instill to this audience at this particular time. And so I can tie into those and then they'll always say, but just tell your personal story.

Everything Cancer (21:06)
Yeah.

Terry Healey (21:07)
You know, and the honest truth is it does, all those messages do come out. But yeah, I talk a lot about sort of this framework, this adversity framework that I came up with and the principles that underlie it. So it's just being, you know, it's preparation. That's sort of step one, right? And there's a number of principles within that.

And then there's reflection. You have to regularly reflect, as I talked about earlier, to allow yourself to learn each day. What happened today that I need to reflect on that I can learn from? If you don't do that, they just kind of pass by. It's just another day and you forget, you move on. And then so the next phase of that is leverage the reflection, iterate and improve on it.

Everything Cancer (21:51)
Thank

Terry Healey (22:01)
And where the rubber really meets the road is sort of the next step of motivation and action. And that's really where you start to put, you start to have things in your life that you know are gonna help you move your life forward. And then finally, it's just, it's a cycle, right? It ends with optimization. I mean, we have to optimize for purpose. And so we're never done.

I think if we were done, it would be kind of boring. mean, we can always improve. So I talk about all those things in the context of taking control of your life, facing your challenges, dealing with adversity. But a lot of it is just learning to trust. It's making sure you're surrounding yourself with people that are supportive.

Everything Cancer (22:32)
Right.

That's it.

Terry Healey (22:54)
You know, and making tough decisions, that's very hard for young people too. It was for me that I had to separate myself from certain people. I had to say, these people are not good for me right now. I need to surround myself with positive people that are gonna reinforce, not make me feel like I shouldn't be where I am.

Everything Cancer (23:19)
You mentioned a word that I often hear in conversations and that's purpose. Having a purpose makes a really big difference on the journey.

And you, I was just gonna say you have defined your purpose over and over, but you keep defining it and with, with vision and, and a mission.

Terry Healey (23:33)
That is, yeah, go ahead.

Yeah. Yeah. And I think that's the blessing, right, of all of this, of adversity is that we can find our calling through it. In my next book, I actually have seven interviews of people that overcame tremendous adversity, more significant than my own. And the way they came out of it is incredible and what they learned.

and the fact that they're very purpose -driven people now, you know, and they're happier than they were before. It's actually kind of the concept for my follow -on book is like living life on purpose. And so there's so much there.

Everything Cancer (24:27)
I can't wait to read it. I'm looking forward to when you let us know it comes out and we'll have you back for sure. How do you handle questions about your appearance?

Terry Healey (24:32)
Yeah, yeah.

So I'm gonna answer that two ways. The first is that I at some point, when I was really struggling and insecure with the way I looked, I tried to avoid it and I would just march away if somebody asked me what happened. And I had different reactions. Sometimes I lied to people and that's not something I'm proud of, but I told them a story that

Everything Cancer (24:42)
Hahaha

Terry Healey (25:07)
based on my judgment of that person that they would want to hear. And that's in this last book. I'll send you a copy, by the way. There's some stories in there about what I did and the stories that I told. But what I learned ultimately was that telling the truth is the best. And that's where people can learn and that's where people can be inspired and realize that, wow, you know, I had a completely different judgment of this person. Now I understand

Everything Cancer (25:13)
Okay, okay, great.

Terry Healey (25:37)
And hopefully people become more empathetic when you share your story. But the second part of my answer, Jill, is that what's really interesting is we talked about goal setting and rebuilding confidence. And what I found over time was, let's just use an example of going into a Starbucks. Let's say 30 years ago, if I went into a Starbucks and there was a mother with her two young kids, maybe five and six year olds,

It seemed like every single time they would point at me and mommy, you know, or, they'd look at me funny or they would whisper to their mother, you know, what happened to him? You know, and it was always really uncomfortable. couldn't wait to get through the line and I just ignored it. well, at some point I started to actually embrace and say, I know you're,

you're looking at me, let me tell you what happened. And I didn't give gory details, I don't want to freak anybody out, right? But it's just that I was sick and I recovered and I'm healthy now and all's good, there's nothing wrong, you know, I'm happy person. But ultimately what happened, Jill, that I'm trying to get to with this second answer is in that same, let's call it a Starbucks, it never happens anymore. So people...

Rarely, I mean, I would almost be comfortable saying never look at me differently. And I think it's just how we carry ourselves and the confidence that we have. I think that that's a big part of the reaction that we get from people is how we carry ourselves. And if you walk into a room and you're confident and you feel good about yourself, people don't notice you as much. And some people wanna be noticed, that's a whole different.

Everything Cancer (27:04)
Mm -hmm. Right.

Mm

Terry Healey (27:26)
thing that I can't really get into. I'm not, that's not my thing, but I just wanted to blend in. I just want to be like, you know, normal, like everybody else.

Everything Cancer (27:29)
Yeah.

So I'm sure people do wonder and it's interesting how you answer that question and with the Starbucks analogy and the explanation you gave, I wonder how many times that conversation actually was carried forward where that parent used that explanation you gave to reassure their children at other times when uncertain things were occurring. And they said, that man, remember that man, turned out okay.

and you're going to turn out okay too. So I bet there was actually a fairly significant ripple effect from that explanation that you gave.

Terry Healey (28:02)
Yeah.

Hopefully, you know, it's interesting. There was a book called Wonder. Are you familiar with that? Yeah, I mean, so it was turned into a movie, but it was about a very similar situation. And it came out way later, but the two children saw this guy that looked very different, and they were pointing and all this stuff. But ultimately, the mother, so it's an experience that the author actually had.

Everything Cancer (28:16)
Mm -hmm. I am not.

Mm

Terry Healey (28:42)
So she went and wrote this book and it was very life -changing. mean, it's incredibly inspirational about this kid, Augie. And so it's this whole story. It's amazing. Excuse me. Get some water here.

Everything Cancer (28:53)
Mm

Take your time, please.

Terry Healey (29:02)
But, you know, one of the things that I do in my talks to students at the middle school or high school level is oftentimes I start the presentation off with, and I have the person in charge of the meeting or the assembly put little, you know, blank pieces of paper and a pencil because, you know, I don't really want them using their phones.

put a piece of paper and ask them as I walk through the room to look at my face and write down the first thing that enters their mind, right? And then I ask them, fold that piece of paper in half, set it aside. We'll revisit it later. Then I go through my whole story and then at the end I ask them to pull that out again, not look at what they wrote. I'm sure they'll remember. But now I want you to write down your reaction to me now and your perception of who I am now.

And a lot of kids will be embarrassed to raise their hands, but afterwards they'll come running up to me and say, wow, you know, I, my immediate reaction was, you know, you were in a car accident. you were a war veteran. You were this, you were that you had, you know, they come up with whatever story and then afterwards it's something like courageous, brave, you know, and it's, I think it's an important message to share. And, so.

I love doing that and finding out the kids that are kind blown away by it.

Everything Cancer (30:38)
Yeah, but you've made a huge impression on everybody in the audience through that exercise and how not to make a book should not be judged by their cover and how amazing of a person you are and what you've done to overcome adversity. I find it fascinating that you started out in technology and basically you're in sales.

And to me, that's just a testament to your commitment to overcome adversity. And you're successful in your career.

And I love that.

So I think that's part of your purpose driven in that.

Terry Healey (31:29)
Yeah, and I think again that's perseverance. I mean think in sales success doesn't come from the guy or gal who has the gift of gab who can engage with somebody. That doesn't necessarily translate into success. What translates is hard work, perseverance, doing your homework, and you know.

doing the hard work to make sure that that first engagement with that customer is going to be one where they know you're knowledgeable about their business and you understand the pains that they're dealing with, etc. you know, I think that being in that environment was the best thing for me because it forced me to face my challenges head on, right?

I was avoiding people for so long and then suddenly it's like, know what the best medicine for me is to be in front of them and overcome that challenge. Because once you can deal with that, then it makes the next challenge easier.

Everything Cancer (32:40)
Boy, you have met that challenge and certainly surpassed it. What other things would you like to share that we haven't covered yet?

Terry Healey (32:54)
You know, I think you've mentioned a couple things, you know, if there's people in the audience who are younger. I think what I see a lot now on social media and what social media has unfortunately created in many situations is this, you know, FOMO and this insecurity and anxiety and things like that. And I think that

One of the things that I really like to communicate is ways that you can rebuild your confidence and self -esteem and really make sure that you're reflecting on it and thinking about it. It's not just this obvious thing. You have to actually, it might sound obvious when you hear the steps that I recommend, but I think that it's really...

making it part of your daily exercise, almost like you get up in the morning and if you can exercise in the morning, you'll feel better throughout the day. Or if you can take 10 minutes to check off the list of what am I doing to rebuild my self -esteem? What am I doing to enhance my confidence? To make myself feel better about who I am every day. so that's a big part of, I think,

what I try to communicate, I just see more and more people struggling with it. And I know I did big time. Believe me, I was at the bottom of the barrel.

Everything Cancer (34:33)
It's I wish so for anybody who's listening Terry's voice projects so beautifully and his presence is just like his voice. And so to know that you came from what you call the bottom of the barrel to this commanding presence that is also very easy to be around and a gracious person is amazing to me. And you did this through basically pure grit and determination and with purpose.

and careful steps, it sounds like. So it's something that sounds attainable for anyone.

Terry Healey (35:11)
I think so. I think for sure. I think that, again, it's not necessarily obvious stuff. You just have to be willing to step back and reflect on things and say, what can I do each day to help myself feel better about who I am? So I don't necessarily care what that social media post is.

Everything Cancer (35:39)
Mm -hmm. Yeah.

Terry Healey (35:41)
Whatever the case may be, I think with adversity or any challenges, unfortunately, that's one of the things that happens is it affects, it can affect our self -esteem and our confidence depending upon the situation. so, what are the things that I can do every day? And some of them are really simple, some are harder. But that's,

really powerful because that can really become life changing and it just gives you freedom. It sets you free, it really does.

Everything Cancer (36:19)
Yeah, I like that every day and it's small steps. It's the small steps, the incremental steps, the reps. If you're working out that the rep the repetitious movements that make the difference. So if you put in the effort every day, you're going to make the bigger changes over a period of time. And it's a matter of just investing in yourself and continuing to do that and not letting yourself slide back.

So it's a.

Terry Healey (36:49)
And it's like with what you've done with the work you've done, the great work you've done for survivors, right? I mean, and the people that are in the midst of dealing with their life struggles is, know, journaling and tracking and doing all that stuff is, is, is important. And, and I think that, you know, what, what you've put together, man, everybody needs to go out and get that.

Everything Cancer (36:54)
thanks.

Thanks, Terry. I'm working on that. It's available on Amazon, but I'm working on making it accessible to everyone. It's really important to me that. So I'm working with some really great people. I appreciate you saying that. Cancer Journey, Guide and Journals, Empowerment and Diagnosis, Diagnosis, Treatment and Beyond. it truly does empower a person. Terry can attest to that.

meeting you and talking with you. can't wait to have you back. can't wait to read your next book and I welcome you back to talk about it and I hope I get to see one of your talks in person one of these days.

Terry Healey (38:00)
And me as well. I want to see you. Hopefully we'll connect that way.

Everything Cancer (38:04)
That would be great. I'll have all of Terry's contact information in the show notes for this interview. If you'd like to reach out to him, I appreciate our audience's time for being here today. And Terry, it sounds like you have a dog that is really happy to see you. No, that's okay. What's your dog's name? Hi, Gracie. Everybody say hi to Gracie.

Terry Healey (38:18)
Yeah, sorry about that.

Gracie

Gracie's a little cavapoo. She just got back from her walk with my wife and so she came in here and started shaking. Yeah.

Everything Cancer (38:34)
Aw, well, she's happy to see her dad. Terry, thank you for your time today.

Terry Healey (38:38)
Thank you, Jill. I appreciate it. Great talking to you too.

Everything Cancer (38:40)
take care now. Yep.

Terry’s email address – terry@terryhealey.com ; for those interested in joining his newsletter and getting notified about his forthcoming book, send an email to terry@terryhealey.com with the subject line “newsletter”

Terry’s resources web page - https://terryhealey.com/?page_id=8 (for support, research and information about facial disfigurement)

Cancer Support Community - https://www.cancersupportcommunity.org/

About Face https://aboutface.ca/about/ About Face’s vision is the elimination of the stigma and discrimination encountered by individuals with a facial difference.

My Face www.myface.org My face Is beautiful

Face Equality International https://faceequalityinternational.org/